【禁闻】占领华尔街: 学者抨社会主义分赃制

【新唐人2011年11月19日讯】“占领华尔街”已经持续了超过2个月,这场民间自发的草根运动既没有组织领导者,也没有明确的目标和纲领。中共媒体宣传称,“占领华尔街”敲响了资本主义的丧钟。国际知名学者对此驳斥,指出这场运动反对的是华尔街具有社会主义性质的分赃制度。

11月17号“占领华尔街”届满2个月,全美各地抗议者发起“全球行动日”大规模示威,至少300人被拘捕。纽约、洛杉矶、华盛顿、波士顿、达拉斯、拉斯维加斯、波特兰等地持续爆发示威活动,目前已有100多个国家响应“占领”行动。

纽约州立大学教授谢选骏接受《新唐人》采访,表达了他的看法。

谢选骏:“我觉得‘占领华尔街’的运动和中国的上访运动有相似的地方,他们都是弱势团体。他们得到的社会公众的反应是不一样的,比方说在中国,上访的人很难得到体制内的人士、尤其是比较上层的人士公开的支持;但是在美国,‘占领华尔街’运动甚至还得到国会议员、总统和市议员等等这些比较重量级的人的支持。”

示威者高呼“我们是99%”、“银行被保释,我们被出卖”等口号,由于美国工会和左翼团体及人士的加入,一些口号带有左翼色彩。

中共《人民网》评论,这场运动盲目反对资本主义、鼓吹新自由主义。《光明网》评论更直接的说,这股怒潮,剑锋直指资本主义制度,要求建立“社会主义的美国”。

谢选骏:“不是‘占领华尔街’的运动在要求建立‘社会主义的美国’,而是‘占领华尔街’的运动要求停止建立‘社会主义的美国’。”

旅美学者谢选骏,中国社科院研究生毕业,是央视大型记录片《河殇》的独立撰稿人,六四事件后,《河殇》遭禁播,并被定性为“反革命的蓝图”。

谢选骏日前发表文章说,畅销书《黑天鹅效应》的作者塔勒布(Nassim Nicholas Taleb)建议,华尔街银行为追求高分红,罔顾社会整体利益,追求高风险投资,唯一的解决之道就是取消银行界的“分红制度”。

谢选骏:“华尔街在2008年金融危机以后,它的性质改变了,因为他们等于就是说,他们盈利就归他们自己,但是他们的亏损就由纳税人、由政府来出这个钱,所以这就违反了资本主义制度的一个基本原则,就是权利和义务的对等,就向社会主义靠拢了。”

英国《金融时报》专栏作家约翰.凯(John Kay)说,资本主义并非“贪婪”的代名词。谢选骏指出,资本主义的代名词是企业家精神,社会主义才是“贪婪”的代名词。他说,华尔街投资银行界2010年的滴血红利,在经济前景不明中却创下历史新高。这种“稳赚不赔”的分红制度就是金融危机的罪恶源头。

塔勒布对此强调,“这违反亚当.斯密的资本主义基本原则。”资本主义也被称为自由市场经济或自由企业经济,特色就是由市场机制来自动调节经济活动,而不是由国家操控。

谢选骏:“但是,美国政府现在做不到这一点,它只能给大企业支持,而不能够向大企业收税,就变成这么一个问题,所以这些大企业正在实际上变成一种变相的国有企业,这就是我说的美国的社会主义倾向。实际上,垄断资本主义就是社会主义。”

谢选骏教授表示,号称资本主义像征的华尔街,必须取消“赌赢了自己拿钱,赌输了国债出钱”这一社会主义的分赃制度,否则,不仅自由已死、民主必亡;而且,美国迟早也会像欧洲国家那样陷入国家破产的窘况。社会主义不能救中国,也肯定救不了美国。

也有分析指出,不仅是华尔街,欧美国家的高社会福利、高税收等制度,以及政府干预经济活动,都具有社会主义的性质。

新唐人记者常春、李元翰、孙宁采访报导。

Scholar Critical of Wall Street Socialist Policy during Occupy protests

The campaign of “Occupying Wall Street" has lasted for
more than two months.
This spontaneous grass-roots movement has neither an
organizing leader, nor clear objectives and platforms.
Chinese Communist Party (CCP)’media said that
“Occupying Wall Street” sounded the knell of capitalism.
Internationally renowned scholars refute this, however,

pointing out that what is opposed in the campaign is the
socialist policy of distributing spoils from Wall Street.

November 17, marks two months for “Occupying Wall Street".

Protesters all over America launched a mass demonstration
called “Global Action Day". At least 300 persons were arrested.
New York, Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston, Dallas,
Las Vegas, Portland and other places saw continuous break outs in demonstrations.
At present, there are more than 100 countries respond in
the “occupying” action.

New York University Professor Xie Xuanjun expressed
his views in an interview with NTDTV.

Xie Xuanjun: “I think the campaign of “Occupying Wall Street"
is similar to the petition campaign in China.
They are all disadvantaged groups.
What they get from the public reaction is different.
For example in China, the petition is hard to get open support
from persons in the system, especially from the upper levels.
But in America, the campaign of “Occupying Wall Street”
even gets support from heavyweight persons,
such as members of Congress, the President,
members of City Council and so on.

The protesters shouted such slogans as “We are the 99%”,
“Banks are released on bail, we are sold out” and so on.
Because the U.S. trade unions and left-wing groups and
individuals joined, some slogans contained the colors of left-wing.

CCP’s “People” commented that this campaign blindly
opposes capitalism, and advocates neo-liberalism.
“Guangming" commented directly that this wave
of anger pointed straightly to capitalism system, requiring establishment of “socialist America”.

Xie Xuanjun: “The campaign of ‘Occupying Wall Street’
is not to require establishment of ‘socialist America’,
but to require stopping establishment of ‘socialist America’.”

Scholar Xie Xuanjun lives in America, and graduated
from Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.
He was an independent writer of a large-scale
CCTV documentary “River Elegy".
After June 4th incident, “River Elegy" was banned,
and was characterized as “counter-revolutionary blueprint".

Xie Xuanjun recently published an article,
and said that Nassim Nicholas Taleb,
the author of the best-selling book
“Black Swan Effect", gave some suggestions.
Because Wall Street banks pursue high dividends,
ignoring the whole interests of society and pursuing high-risk investments,
the only way to deal with the problem is to cancel
the banking sector’s “bonus system".

Xie Xuanjun: “The nature of Wall Street changed after the
financial crisis in 2008, because it’s equal to say that the profits belong to themselves.
But their loss will be paid by the taxpayer and the government.

So it violates a basic principle of capitalism,
namely the reciprocity of rights and obligations. It moves closer to socialism.”

British “Financial Times" columnist John Kay said that
capitalism is not the synonym of “greed”.
Xie Xuanjun pointed out the synonym of capitalism
is the spirit of entrepreneurs.
But socialism is the synonym of “greed”.

He said that the bonus of Wall Street investment banking
in 2010 hit a record high under the uncertainty of future economy.
This bonus system, with only earning, but no loss,
is the evil source of the financial crisis.

Regarding this, Taleb stressed that “this violates
Adam Smith’s basic principles of capitalism”.
Capitalism is also called a free market economy or
free enterprise economy.
Its characteristic is to automatically regulate economic activities
by the market mechanism, but not by state control.

Xie Xuanjun: “But America cannot do this to such an extent
right now.
It can only give support to large companies,
but cannot levy taxes from large companies. It becomes such a problem.
So these large companies are actually becoming
state-owned enterprises in a disguised form.
This is what I said about America’s tendency to socialism.
In fact, monopoly capitalism is socialism.”

Professor Xie Xuanjun said that Wall Street, known as a
symbol of capitalism, must cancel the spoils system of socialism,
in which individuals earn money when winning and
the state pay the losses when losing.
Otherwise, it will result in not only the death of freedom
and democracy, but also America will sooner or later fall into national bankruptcy like European countries.
Socialism can save neither China, nor America.

Some analysts also point out that not only Wall Street,
but also European and American countries’ high social welfare,
high taxes and other government intervention in
economic activities all contain the nature of socialism.

NTD reporters Chang Chun, Li Yuanhan and Sun Ning

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