【新唐人2011年8月15日讯】中国大陆著名经济学家茅于轼近日在北京的一次研讨会上表示，现在不大会有人再相信共产主义了，胡锦涛也不见得相信共产主义，尽管胡自己没说过。茅于轼指出，违反基本道德的共产制度要被唾弃，人权、民主、法制、平等、自由等普世价值是当今世界潮流。
“北京天则经济研究所”7月30号举行了“地方治理与国家转型”研讨会，主持会议的研究所理事长茅于轼，以《从世界大潮看国家转型》为题，做了会前发言。
他在发言中指出，经过七、八十年的实验共产主义失败了，公有制、计划经济不行了，绝大部分国家都放弃了。
8月14号，茅于轼接受《新唐人》采访时表示，从马克思提出共产主义，到俄国十月革命列宁付诸实施，之后在苏联、东欧、中国等建立了十几个社会主义国家，卷入了十多亿人口。
共产阵营导致上亿人因屠杀、饥饿、被迫害死亡，造成了全世界的灾祸。1991年，苏联、东欧共产阵营垮台后，中共依靠资本主义的市场经济，来维持共产党的统治，而中国宪法仍然自称是社会主义公有制。
茅于轼：“现在还要坚持共产主义的国家可能是没有了，中国口头上还是马列主义，实际上走的是资本主义道路。现在还想坚持共产主义的，实际不是共产主义，实际上就是独裁政治，像北朝鲜、还有古巴，古巴现在也在调整了，也要走资本主义道路了，实在搞不下去了。”
茅于轼表示，虽然中共还叫共产党，总书记胡锦涛也不见得相信共产主义，相信的应该还是现代社会的制度，宪法里面原来没有多种所有制、人权、法制，现在都有了，而这些都不是共产主义的东西。
茅于轼：“现在还有哪个国家搞共产主义能成功的，没有啊！这也不是没试过，试过了，好大的代价试过了。不过，因为胡锦涛政权是继承了原来共产主义的制度，实际上不见得相信它，不光是胡锦涛，我相信江泽民也不信。”
江泽民把所谓的“三个代表”写进党章和宪法，让资本家入党。《维基解密》披露，中共中央政治局实际上是一个权贵利益集团，瓜分了中国的经济蛋糕，决策由特权利益驱动。
时事评论家、美国乔治梅森大学教授章天亮：“胡锦涛肯定是不相信共产主义了。胡锦涛如果相信共产主义的话，现在的共产党就是资本家，就应该把共产党卷走的财产先拿出来给劳苦大众分一分﹔如果胡锦涛真的相信共产党的话，应该把江泽民、罗干、包括他自己的钱都拿出来给大家分一分。”
《北京之春》杂志主编胡平以“挂羊头、卖狗肉”，来形容中共说一套、做一套，挂社会主义的羊头，卖资本主义的狗肉，目地就是为了欺骗人民，让权贵利益集团强占人民的财产。
茅于轼：“这个迟早得放弃的，这迟早的问题，现在这个政权靠假话来维持，说好多假话维持这个政权。你要一说真话，那共产主义就得放弃。”
茅于轼表示，人权、民主、法制、平等、自由是普世价值，而最基础的普世价值是人类共同的道德。
他指出，中共建政后好多事都是违背了最基本的道德，包括文化大革命，没有宽容、没有同情心、残害人。所有违反基本道德的制度通通要被唾弃。
茅于轼：“其实，从人类历史长远的发展看，它总的发展方向就是按照普世价值的方向，就是人权、平等、自由。凡是跟普世价值冲突的，必须得调整自己。将来全世界一定是一个尊重人权的，是一个平等、自由的，是一个民主、法制的制度。”
目前，在《大纪元退党网站》公开声明退出中共党、团、队组织的“三退”人数，已经超过了一亿人。越来越多中国人抛弃共产党、唾弃共产主义。
新唐人记者常春、李元翰、萧宇采访报导。
Does Hu Believe in Communism?
Renowned Chinese economist, Mao Yushi, said on a recent
seminar in Beijing, that not many believe in communism now.
He said Chinese Communist Party (CCP) president Hu Jintao
might not believe in communism either, but won’t admit it.
Mao Yushi said that communism, which violates humans’
basic morals, is being cast aside,
while universal values, such as human rights, democracy,
rule of law and freedom are rising current trends.
Beijing-based Unirule Institute of Economics held a seminar
on “Local Governance and State Transformation" on July 30.
It was hosted by Mao Yushi, chair of Unirule Institute.
Mao Yushi gave a speech on “countries’ transformation
as seen from current trends in the world."
In his speech, Mao Yushi pointed out that after the seven
or eight decades of experimenting with communism failed,
and public ownership and planned economy didn’t work,
most countries abandoned communism.
On August 14, in an interview with NTD he said
that Marx proposed communism,
Lenin implemented it in the Russian October Revolution,
and later more than a dozen socialist states were founded,
including the former Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc.
About more than a billion people were involved.
The communist camp slaughtered, starved and persecuted
hundreds of millions people to death.
After the Soviet Union and Eastern Communist Bloc fell in
1991, CCP has relied on market economy to maintain its rule.
However, in China’s Constitution, the CCP still claims
China to be a socialist country.
Mao Yushi: “It is possible now that no country in the world
still adheres to communism.
China is nominally Marxist-Leninist but has taken a capitalist
path. Those “safeguarding” communism aren’t communists.
In fact, they just want to maintain their dictatorships,
such as North Korea and Cuba.
Cuba has also adjusted to pursue a capitalist path,
because they cannot continue the communism anymore."
Mao Yushi said, although CCP is still “communist,” its
Secretary General Hu Jintao may not believe in communism.
He might believe in the system of modern society, as human
rights and rule of law have been added to the Constitution.
These terms were not there originally, and are not communist.
Mao Yushi: “Which country can still pursue communism
and succeed? Not one! It’s not that communism wasn’t tried.
It was tried, at a very large price. However, Hu’s regime has
inherited the communist system.
In fact, he not necessarily believes in it. Not just Hu Jintao,
I think Jiang Zemin doesn’t believe in it, either."
CCP ex-leader Jiang Zemin added “Three Represents" to the
Constitution, enabling capitalists to become CCP members.
WikiLeaks has disclosed that the CCP’s Central Committee
Politburo is actually a powerful elite interest group.
It has divided China’s economic cake and its
decision-making is driven by the interests of the privileged.
Prof. Zhang Tianliang from George Mason University:
“Hu certainly does not believe in communism.
If he did CCP wouldn’t be capitalist. He should re-distribute
and return the money taken by CCP from the working class.
If he believed in communism he would give back the money
taken by Jiang Zemin, Luo Gan and himself to the people.”
Beijing Spring magazine editor-in-chief Hu Ping describes
the CCP as saying one thing but doing another.
The CCP claims to be socialist, but in fact pursues capitalism
in order to deceive the people and to enable the rich
and powerful elite interest groups to seize people’s property.
Mao Yushi: “Sooner or later, they’ll have to give up
communism. This CCP relies on lies to maintain its rule.
Once you tell the truth, they have to give up communism."
Mao Yushi believes that human rights, democracy,
rule of law and freedom are universal values,
and the most basic universal value is mankind’s morals.
He pointed out that after the CCP founded its regime,
it did a lot of things that are contrary to basic morality,
including the Cultural Revolution. It has no tolerance,
no compassion and persecutes people.
All systems that violate basic morals
will have to be cast away.
Mao Yushi: “In fact, from the perspective of human history’s
long-term development, the human history’s overall direction
is in accordance with the universal values, of human rights,
equality and freedom.
Anything in conflict with the universal values has to adjust.
The future world must be under a system
that respects human rights, and that is equal, free
and democratic, and has the rule of law.”
On the Epoch Times website, over 100 million people have
publicly denounced CCP and its affiliated organizations.
More and more Chinese people are abandoning the CCP
and rejecting communism.
新唐人记者常春、李元翰采访报导。
